More than 1 billion tons of food lost or wasted every year, UN-backed report finds

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azeo
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More than 1 billion tons of food lost or wasted every year, UN-backed report finds

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=38344&Cr=fao&Cr1=

 

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lomuland
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One of many reasons why the

One of many reasons why the world food shortage argument put forth by the GE industry (& others), is a complete farce.

Kevthefarmer
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Food undervalued in the first world

Food waste is an inevitable result of food being too cheap in the first world. Consumption of food as a branch of the entertainment industry is a major culprit. As the EROEI on food production increases from the ludicrous 10% to 15% it is now under "oil subsidy" conditions to the 150% we can expect in a sustainable system (manual and quadruped labour), and returns to its rightful position of 60% to 70% of human economic activity instead of the ridiculous 5% it stands at now, with the rest of human endeavour producing mainly worthless crap. In our great-grandparents generation, they used to skim the grease off the washing-up water to give to the pigs! Now thats what I call frugal!
I speak as a person who produces virtually all my own food with manual labour, and produces a surplus to sell to pay the inevitable rates and taxes. Sadly no horse or bullock-team- yet!
Interestingly, in China, despite consuming 40% of the worlds coal in industrial production, they have continued their agricultural production with manual and quadruped labour. See this recent report from China by Gail Tverberg at our finite word.

Kama Burwell
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Perhaps avoid the horse and bullocks

Hi Kev, I've been reading your posts with interest. I travelled to China in 2009 to study the traditional farming systems, and was fascinated.

The best farming we saw tended not to use hooved animals such as bullocks (and definitely not horses). Some farmers we talked to said that they tried bullocks to help with cultivating the land, but the amount of land required to feed them and the amount of extra work to feed the bullocks meant that they were better off without them, so they got rid of them.

Plus of course the animals' hooves themselves are not compatible with terraced, terraqueous food production systems and need to be housed or closely tethered. I saw irate farmers yelling at their neighbours about their bullocks roaming around.

One exception seems to be waterbuffalo in some rice terrace systems. Partly this seems to be because the waterbuffalo has a different-shaped hoof, which perhaps does not compact the ground so much or puncture soil crusts. The waterbuffalo I saw were still very carefully managed though - tethered. Mozzarrella anyone ?

Anyways, it seems to me that you are definitely much better off without a horse, and very probably better off without bullocks.

The terraquaculture movement in Aotearoa explores all these issues. Check out www.terraquaculture.net.

Nga mihi, Kama

Kevthefarmer
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Crireria for Quadruped Traction

I absolutely take your point. Like any piece of equipment, one ought to have a proper use for it and it needs to be fully integrated into a system. It is not for no good reason that the horse superceded the bullock and that in turn superceded manual power. It has a lot to do with complexity of systems. If we manage to have an orderly transition to sustainability I see no reason why a sufficient degree of complexity should not remain such as would be necessary to efficiently utilise horse-traction.

There is such a thing as economy of scale. A mixed farming system requires typically one horse per 40 acres, however, for many farm tasks, such as lea-ploughing (ploughing out grass inta arable) three are usually necessary. Hence a total of 120 acres becomes a unit of farm for a horse team. This is way more than one family can farm without labourers, and skilled ones at that. I definitely see the future in terms of small proprietory units rather than "master and servant" type organization, therefore I would see horse owning as a community good and the horse-master as a proprietor in his own right within the village community.

Horses were the zenith of pre-fossil-fueled agriculture and not for no good reason. They represent the most effective way of producing a small disposable income (roughly one third of farm production) that allows society to have some level of cultural sophistication rather than the drudgery of relentless manual labour to produce a mere subsistence. Their use does require a high level of skill and organization in an integrated system. There is no "off-switch" like a tractor! Of course they are culturally iconic too, and become a focus and source of wonderment for small children- like the steam locomotive was of the industrial age!

Unfortunately, It seems more likely that we see a disorderly collapse into near zero complexity and this opportunity will be lost. Probably what remaining good draught horses there are will be killed and eaten along with all other useful animals, crop seeds eaten or destroyed or lost.

I am fully aware there are other systems of food production such as "forest farming". "terraquaculture" and I am sure many more. No one of these is "better" in all circumstances. It is an issue of appropriateness to the land, to the climate, to the culture of the people involved, and to the level of complexity that can be maintained.

Kama Burwell
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culture - the critical thing

Hi again Kev. I think you hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. It is all about culture. And in your comments above are several cultural myths about farming and productivity around the world...... which is to be expected....

We see what we are brought up to see, and we tell the stories that we were told. We are drenched in a cultural rain that blinds us all ..... the permaculturalists, the transition towners, the anarchists, all those who think they are on the edge.

Sorry for not being specific, I feel quite weary thinking about trying to explain myself. Have you read all the articles on the terraquaculture website ? Of course when we are talking about cultural transformation, reading an article just doesn't cut the mustard !

Kevthefarmer
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cultural myths about farming?

I don't follow your thinking when you say "in your comments above are several cultural myths about farming and productivity around the world". I thought I made it quite clear in my last paragraph (which you misquoted- I did not say it was all about culture, I placed culture third in a list of four factors) that I do not refer myself to conditions "around the world" but rather to those in New Zealand, which has a temperate maritime climate similiar to the western seaboard of Europe, whereas the system that you are promoting seems to me to be best suited to sub-glacial environments that are watered by (thus far) infallible supplies of glacial melt-water, or sub-rainforest environments where the "sponge" of the forest provides the same steady year-round waterflow.

.....Ok Kama, I just came back and edited out some pretty uncomplementary but possibly not totally undeserved personal stuff about our different "cultural viewpoints". I've done this before on TTNZ and raved on about someone elses viewpoint and then retracted. I need to get my head around the fact that we are not adversaries- this is not a political blog.
I just started reading the terraquaculture articles from the other end (oldest first) and I have to say the older ones seem a lot more coherent than the newer. Anyway, I realised that the approach Tane is advocating is a lot more in tune with my own conclusions regarding my own farming on land that is rapidly reverting to a swamp!, that is to say- there's no point in trying to fight nature. This land has been brutally graded in the past to turn the old river-flats into a level surface for cultivation, and guess what- the old gulleys and springs and all other water features just keep coming back! so why fight them? I'm sick of seeing men pushing dirt around with diggers- futile and an affront to the earth itself.
Enough for now- I have seaweed to unload and goatshit to shovel!

azeo
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thanks for the link

verrry interesting..... will be investigating thoroughly. Symbiosis in action? Helps complete the picture for several ares of interest - thanks again.

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